Trent had mentioned about the age of accountability. He says this is for, oh, Hey, now you have to give one to Steve. So the Catholics authority is not balanced on a three legged stool of the Magisterium, sacred tradition, and holy Scripture, but on a one-legged stool of the Magisterium, which subjectively determines what Scripture and tradition are and how to interpret them. No one else ever before in the history of salvation had been asked to do something like that. Ye, because Jesus younger half sibling was Joseph while Jesus father was God. Okay. Oh, absolutely. What we can find in the writings of the Church Fathers, however, are hundreds of citations of the deuterocanonical books as inspired Scripture. Some of these questions are for both of you but it might be better if I ask a question, just one of you respond since we have so many. Why would that be the case? I dont think he could do that. Singleton New South Wales MRC Australia provide radiator and cooling solutions to Mining , Automotive, Industrial , Agricultural , Marine and Rail Operations. They were committed to Sola scriptura but we also have to remember that even though they were formers, they were also Roman Catholics and their issue with Romans was not about Marian dogmas, it was about the authority of scripture over the authority of the church. It would behoove us, then, to follow in their example and praise the gift of Gods word that comes to us in these writings and critically examine arguments such as those presented by Steve Christie that would tempt us to reject a portion of Gods sacred revelation. He became sinner. And we can safely assume that Jesus saw the body of Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration. Are you going to answer the question, does it describe her giving birth to anyone else or say she gave birth to anyone else? One, ones natural sister, such as a sister of the same parents or a half sister or, two, a believing sister, such as a Christian sister. [inaudible 01:22:12] Thats fine. He writes, As a Pharisee, the apostle Paul would have understood the Law and the Prophets to refer to only those writings found in Protestant Old Testaments today. But this argument fails for the following reasons. Okay. Stephen Christie has been at the top of the Real Estate Industry for 30 years. WHY PROTESTANT BIBLES ARE SMALLER: A Defense of the Protestant Old Testament Canon - Kindle edition by Christie, Steve. Im not saying thats a required view, but its a quite plausible one. Is primary meaning of adelphos that you have the same biological mother and father? This question comes from agoyforJesus. Then after being assumed into heaven, she would have a glorified body. I addressed this a little bit during the debates of the specific Greek word [inaudible 01:21:19], which is translate full of grace or highly favored, even Jimmy Akin from Catholic answers that. In his work The Bible is a Catholic Book, Akin notes of the Pharisees canon that the boundaries of this collection were still somewhat fuzzy. So thats another one. Honestly, Id have to think about it. My wife and I literally were listening to Scott Hahn reading the Book of Romans as we were going as sleep last night. The Bible doesnt say that apostles are baptized, but it certainly seems quite fitting that they would be given everything else. So multi-part question here. I mean, focusing on it saying that they had the same mothers is a little bit of a strawman because thats an argument that youre using which I feel is really irrelevant because you could use the argument that Jesus had younger half sisters because theres nothing in that passage to eliminate that possibility. I guess, after the New Testament, I guess heres a fun question, which of the church fathers would you be okay with preaching at your church? You just have to join locals in the same way youd have to join Twitter or Facebook to get access to it. My argument is how the word adelphos is specifically is used to the New Testament Greek. To say here Richard [Bachum 00:28:46], for example, who rejects, a Protestant scholar who rejects the Perpetual Virginity of Mary says, Its strange Jesus is called the son of Mary in Mark 6:3, rather than the son of Joseph. But that would make sense if Jesus had been born of Josephs second wife, Mary. Id have to respond individually. What about the other Marian Dogmas? So this question is for Trent. So he would be referred to as the son of Joseph sometimes. I want to comment on his use of the word veneration. Okay. Regarding the Immaculate Conception, the other Pope declared, but not infallibly, the most blessed Virgin Mary in the first instance of her conception was preserved free from all stain of original sin is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to believe firmly and constantly by all the faithful. Christie has nine field goals in overtime to his credit, an NFL record he shares with Jason Elam and Jim Breech. So since Jacob is referred to as the son of Isaac, and Reuben as the son of Jacob, then were they only children? And number two, when it comes to veneration, worship, honor, give someone the respect that theyre due. Thats fine. And again, just to give an example in the Septuagint, in the Book of Sirach, which is inspired for Trent, but its not inspired for me, it uses the Greek word [Greek 00:47:52], which is a masculine form of [Greek 00:47:55] when it says, Hail Mary, full of grace. And its used to describe a man who is full of grace. Okay. Because if you look in Strongs Greek Exhaustive Concordance and how it is used in the New Testament, which is what the debate is about not extra biblical work, it is used consistently and only to describe biological siblings. He offered them in the debate. My colleague, Tim Staples, has written an entire book on Mary called Behold Your Mother. Yeah. It comes from agoyforJesus who Im now beginning to assume is your co-laborer. Posts about Steve Jobs written by Christian Apologist. Okay. Im not alone in believing this. No, of course not. Please try again later. So do it. A concrete example of this would be sacrifice. The first man Adam is from the earth, earthy. So much the same way Jesus was free from original sin and personal sin, yet when he was on the cross, its not like the nails couldnt go through his hands because hes free from sin, so hes immortal. So Im going to cover four of them. We discuss his books, with the most popular being Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, and well as leading Bible studies in his home. Steven Christie Founder & Director / Support Coordinator / Specialist Support Coordinator / Psychosocial Recovery coach at Support Base Bendigo, Victoria, Australia 1K followers 500+ connections. So is this your view, Jesus and his siblings have the same mother but they have different fathers? And Steve has not ruled that out. Also death is not a sign of being a sinner, as Steve alluded to earlier. In fact, Josephus recorded a Zechariah being killed in the temple thirty-five years after the crucifixion (Jewish War 4:5:4). The point I want to raise there is that adelphi has the same semantic range as adelphos. I mean, actually you and I would agree on this. I would stress that we look at what the church teaches in its magisterial teachings about Mary and her important role in salvation. Jesus tells the apostles and Matthew 28:20, Observe all that I have commanded you and behold, I am with you always to the close of the age. Even though Jesus will be with the apostles even after the present age comes to an end. Steve Christie joins me this week to discuss how he got started in apologetics and why it is important. Timothy Michael Law, who serves as the co-editor of the Oxford Handbook on the Septuagint, says the deuterocanonical books were included in the Septuagint and that it would also be mistaken to imagine that they have never been read as divine Scripture.. Since this dogma allows for her to have died before being taken up to heaven, it contradicts the purpose of a biblical assumption. And the same is true for Mary. Well, not necessarily. 9035 SW 72nd St Ste 102 Miami, FL 33173. No, I can think of anything like that, but I would say that Marys status as being the God bearer would mean thered be many truths that are quite unique to her that we dont find in either old or New Testament. I would argue that the dogmas are not explicitly mentioned in Scripture and they do not affect salvation. While the wages of sin is death refers to spiritual death, that is the second death. (Horn V. Christie). In Speaking for the Unborn, Dr. Steven Christie offers very clear, convincing, and often witty answers to almost every possible argument in favor of abortion. Well, the Septuagint was a Greek translation that was finished around 134 BC. In his recent book Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, Protestant apologist Steve Christie claims that all Christians should accept the Protestant Old Testament canon and reject the deuterocanonical books of Judith, Tobit, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1and 2 Maccabees, and portions of Daniel and Esther. Married in 1976, the couple attended churches of several denominations along with some non-denominational churches. Man commits idolatry when he honors and reviews a creature in place of God. Although the Pharisees had authority regarding ritual practices, they did not have doctrinal authority over other Jews, including those who came to believe Jesus was the messiah. I agree with what that person teaches. Why Is the Protestant Bible Shorter than the Catholic Bible? How do we know Andrew and Peter are brothers? I do believe thats good evidence that Mary was Josephs second wife, at least thats my personal view, but that doesnt prove that Mary didnt give birth to others. Heres one, Trent, I dont like and I wonder what you think about it. And I can honestly say the same thing about Mary especially with the oppression of Rome and the Jews especially after Jesus was born. Ive crowned myself king, and I demand it. I dont think people at the time would call them Catholic. 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