Have you heard the other side of the story? Yall that are tossing the verses, you might want to read the whole thing. More ad hominem. Way to major in minors there, sport. Clark Im not interested in buying any bridges. What is your criteria for accepting the books that comprise the New Testament, if you do not trust or acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church that decided its Canon??? (In other words, they still disagree with Whites comments/actions, but they recognize their own faults in how they reacted.) Jesus, Please go to: Your bad was imputing malicious intent on the most tenuous of circumstantial evidence. Originally posted 5/22/2013 James White and Justin Lee dialogue on the question, Can you be a Christian homosexual in Helena, Montana at the 2013 Reformation Montana conference. Just who is the you in your comment: Ive been defending the posting of these pictures, and never anything more. CareBear says But those only work because they are part of the shared substrate of human moral reasoning. Mary Margaret, to the extent I understand you, I think I may agree with you. I am not sure. Carebear said, No, Bear. Is a Christian supposed to act so phooney as to tell that person who has just insulted your family: A few minor edits help it along. It just means that he took a short cut in order to receive the title of Dr. without the usual formation that goes with the typical doctoral program. Matthew Siekierski: I had no wish to align with the whore of babylon, I didnt [then] get litugy, the singing and preaching generally sucked, they had no concept of evangelizing, and way too many inside didnt believe were amazed that I would. Thoroughly. Dont poisen the well. Unfortunately, Naik knows better than to debate those who can demonstrate his errors. [2][3] He is the author of several books. Peter was given the Keys, and the power of loosing and binding. Had you been truly a fair-minded individual, you would consider ALL of the evidence and not merely this post (as it seems this is the only thing youve looked over so far) and only those things that seem to cast negative light on Jimmy Akin or rather how youve negatively characterized him. It IS a bit of levity. Begging the question of when you proved that such a thing was true. Has the Quran Been Accurately Transmitted? Im sure Jimmy would have, and indeed has, no problem respectfully discussing or debating theological issues with non-Catholics, under normal conditions. How could you! People are just talking past one another. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? Its all of us, over here, still reeling from those @#&%* pictures, who are showing him enough charity to assume he is, forgive the phrase, a whole pound sack of fries short of a happy meal. If you want discussion on the real issues, cut the drama. Now, I realize that there is tension between Catholics and James White because he challenges the teachings of the Catholic Faith but dont let that distort your judgements. We spent a lot of time analyzing why Don Imus was fired, but Sarah Silverman goes on, why some find Imus funny, and why some go ballistic when they hear him it has to do with what the Germans call reception geschichte how a performance act is received by various audiences, over time. I dont know. Does anyone else remember that saying: And I think his analogy to jihad is an apropos means of expressing it. Many of the posters on this site make all sorts of wild, personal and unsubstantiated accusations directly against Dr White and never seem to find the time or the courage to back up their claims by directly confronting him with factual data. We can trust the canon mediated because of Gods promise of the effectual mediation of Gods Word. But to claim theres some comparison within Catholicism is a joke. Further, most laws we know of in advocacy and argumentation is made-up; yet, that doesnt mean they do not apply. So Dennis been living under a rock for the past week? So put upon is he by the cacophonous calls for charity that he has to break the tension by putting up what he believes are a few innocent and humorous pictures. 1. but immediately returns to his rants If you want to strengthen the meaning and concept of your tattoo, then why not add the chi and rho symbols to it? He is a professor, having taught Greek, New Testament Textual Criticism, Church history, and various topics in the field of apologetics. If this is the best of the best, Im not all that impressed. Some good people have wasted a lot of time on him. Yet another illustration, nay a shining example of how Whites supporters start from their bias always, always slamming Catholics without considering that there might, just might possibly be an alternate explanation. So youre saying that you would consider (lets say) a racial slur acceptable so long as it wasnt intended as serious even by its author? We have to be prepared to forgive those who have wronged us, and are commanded to forgive those who repent of their wrong-doing. Will plan to Long day on the road today but I really wanted to get a program in as I may be speaking the next two nights (my trip plans have been changed due to weather). It has long been the subject of debate what the right response is to anti-catholic excesses. YEAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!. Statement of Faith Why doesnt he do that in debates? Now, Mary, logic is uncharitable! That hardly seems right. Should we leave them the impression that the claims against us are irrefutable? There apparently are two people using the user name Steve. If defending against the irrational, overly-emotional, cry-wolf attitude of ten or twelve fanbois makes you ashamed to be a Christian, you need to seriously ask yourself some questions. He is the author of more than twenty books and is an accomplished debater. Couldnt call him out on sloppy usage. Wow, big discovery. Christ said: As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remain on the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in me. So you see, it takes one (a former one) to know one. Name Server:NS.DEWDESIGNS.COM The Talmud in Rabbinic eyes is the infallible interpreter of the Old Testament- and it leads them away from Christ, when if they would read it, like passages from Isaiah 53, Psalm 22 and myriads of others on their own, praying for God to illuminate scripture, they would come to Christ, as many have. Did you have something of substance you wanted to say, or were you just going to back me up in a sarcastic manner. from Columbia Evangelical Seminary (formerly Faraston Seminary). But just as He is prepared to forgive, so are we to be so prepared. 1 Corinthians 10:17&18 877-753-3341 (US Callers Only). Thats all very interesting, and Im sure God knows whos winning the ad hominem war, but it bores me to tears and I have no time for it. Yes! OK, Sandy, choose a side. That would be mundane. Thats the sum of it. Yet you characterize this as measured and fair, and mockery of it as sophmoric. Jimmy, when you take stupid things seriously, you yourself look stupid. You believe what it says to you, and the Protestants believe what it says to them. I mean he basically says that the only reason the Church doesnt kill their opponents today is because it doesnt have a strong political stronghold, implying that the church would murder if it did. No need for me to chill Im chillin just fine, Amanda. Keep in mind that the Catholic Church is not a person, its the church founded by Christ. Im just amused, no end, that what I suspected about that teeny particular piece of this entire mess was true. Will you still EVADE the question??? What answers can be given except the councils, the fourth century, the documents from it, and the canon that we and you accept? Perhaps you do with the rest of the Akin crew, as Akin seems to have used the pictures and some dubious Law from wikipedia to claim victory. The evasion in the answer is obvious. It was SDG who said its gnostic. He posted the same pictures you did Jimmy. This is simply without basis. You level against me that: You may end up falling in love with several of these designs and ideas in no time! HehCareBear, thats your 50th post in this thread, by my count. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies. Huh??????? Registrant Country:US Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. . uhm I did post at least one specific theological question that White was asking, let me post onf them them from his blog. The word competence here has a technical meaning in linguistics (to paraphrase the redoubtable Wikipedia): Communicative competence is a linguistic term which refers to a learners L2 ability (in general, the ability to process a second language as a native would in the case of humor, to process a joke utterance as a natural example of a joke). he claims implies that they are irrefutable. We deserve it as a badge of honor or a crown of glory and we should wear it with dignity and pride. You have answered correctly, Jesus replied. . Calling him on it has nothing to do with hatred. I hope somebody picks his marbles off the floor before he slips on them. That is to suppress the eternal truth within to obtain a short-lived convenience without. But at least I am not as bad as some of the others here. All someone has to do is know the URL of the site they wish to forward to. especially when you consider that Catholic Answers depend on donations, they would thus be very fastidious in keeping their name clean and reputable! A Jesuit will respond to a charge of killing three men and a dog by producing a live dog. I appreciate the kind comment though. Heres the thing: It has never mattered if it was a joke or not. My father had a deep concern, as a Baptist, for Catholics because he truly believed they were going to hell in ignorance. The exchange Esau and I are in is outlined in James R. Whites book Scripture Alone. Blog Jimmy can admit a mistake; I dont know whether James can. Humbly, I offer a contrary opinion. Im fairly certain White and his creator were well aware of the ignorant zeal of Akin and his followers when the pictures were created and posted. There have been some wonderful posts with many great insights (at least for me personally). How about the guy who accused Dr White of multiple errors and deceptions with regards to the teachings of Rome and then phoned in to say he needed to do three months of research to come up with even one. your inability and/or unwillingness to suppose that the world is larger than you are, that God is larger than you are The open eye in the freemasonry symbol is used as a reminder that God is able to see all the good work and bad work we carry out. 2 . Youre mischaracterizing divine inspiration to fit your meaning in order to draw that conclusion, either you or Aquinas was. Less than two days. Just what is it about certain combinations of notes that make us feel sad, where others make us feel happy? And those who obsess about their victimhood can never be heroes. Humbly, Blessed Redeemer Its out to confuse you! Jerry, $1099. I have been reading these anti-protestant posts and have been unwilling to dive into the murk, because all I am seeing are hundreds of little barbs, some less well disguised than others, directed at the person, character, intellect, education, motivation, etc., of one non-Catholic guy. Hence human testimony concerning inspiration is based, at best, on the testimony of one person who is, naturally speaking, an interested party in the matter concerning which he testifies It is true that miracles and prophecy may, at times, confirm such human testimony as to the inspiration of a work. You cant even read yourself correctly, CB. Why would I ignore this way to know that my sins are forgiven? Its not going to change a whit on this thread. Ok most of these comments are getting ridiculousseriously. The url led to Catholic Answers. The Bible nowhere records that the gift of divine revelation would be lost. Nor is there any hint of a purely spiritual church. Asked for prayer for Dennis Pillay and his wife in South Africa as end-of-life issues confront them, that God would give comfort and strength. Or would you rather retract the presumptious statement and just admit you jumped the gun while you were getting a little too emotional and excited? Who are you replying to? The Confressions, chapter 12 The Voice as of a Child. Have there been some very unkind attacks on Dr. White on this thread? Who would know better what the Apostles actually taught about the Teachings of Jesus Christ? Clearly you do not know either Catholic theology or history if you liken it to Islam. As the creator of said images, I gave those images their name. )to construct a remotely persuasive argument. . Dont try to dillute the issue Im debating by attempting to attribute to me other debates or issues Im not involved with or attempting to defend. But, in the first place, not all inspired writers have been prophets or workers of miracles; in the second place, in order that prophecies or miracles may serve as proof of inspiration, it must be clear that the miracles were performed, and the prophecies were uttered, to establish the fact in question; in the third place, if this condition be verified, the testimony for inspiration is no longer merely human, but it has become Divine. Spent over an hour today digging deep into church history in light of the vital importance of sola scriptura. We are to forgive not just 7 timesremember those words? Logic? So Whites analogy is really intended to just get your attention, to help you feel the frustration he is feeling, to try and get past the only-morons-doubt-the-institution-that-brought-you-the-Inquisition mentality that just is so mind-blowing to people like me who havent been indoctrinated by it. As Ive stated previously: The images are disgusting to ordinary human sensibilities because they imply moral equivalence where such a claim is outrageous and offensive. There must be some bug in the water in Reformed country. Especially noting that Jimmy acknowledges if he misspeaks. Remember nowsubstance. Sola Scriptura and the Early Church in Sola Scriptura! : Crowne Publications, reprinted by Bethany House 1993, Rudolph Boshoff, South African Theological Seminary, 2019 Apologetics Conference, Stanmore Baptist Church, Sydney, Australia, Antioch Bible Church, Johannesburg, South Africa, Knox Reformed Presbyterian Church, Mechanicsville, VA, American Family Association, Laurel, Mississippi, Hillcrest Baptist Church, KwaZulu Natal, South Africa, 2016 Apologetics Conference, Stanmore Baptist Church, Sydney, Australia, Hope Reformed Baptist Church, Underwood, Australia, Apologetics Conference Christ Presbyterian Church, Magna, UT, Defending the Faith Conference, Christ Community Church, West Covina, CA, 2011 Psalm 119 Conference, Minneapolis, MN, Bethal Grace Baptist Church, Bellflower, CA, Discern Conference, Gospel Life Community Church, Santa Fe, Grace Reformed Baptist Church, Merrick, NY, Trinity Reformed Baptist Church, La Mirada, CA, The Authority of Scripture Conference, Seattle Airport Marriot, Seattle, WA, Grace Reformed Baptist Church, Wake County, NC, Getting Over the Hurdles of the New World Translation (29,3), Summary Critique: How Wide the Divide? Could Mary/Foxfire actually be right all along??? You can apply any law you want, it doesnt mean its valid. This is DISHONEST folks! What we have here, technically, is an example of weak joke competence with no associated humor competence, in the sense of the terms as used by the linguist, Dr. Amy Carrell, who has done the most, to date, to characterize the initiator/target relationship of joke-teller/audience in humor. Theres too much going on in my life tonight to focus. Please help him to sense Your presence in removing the chains that hold him to that pain. Thats it. Check out these new and amazing tattoo ideas that you will surely fall in love with! Just how reasonable, how even logical can this argument be when, in fact: As I already stated, I assumed the url was their doing, because any able-minded, reasonable person would firgure that a url naturally belongs to the site it displays. Although not quite as fast as calling yourself Thomas Aquinas or is that the name your Mama gave you. Funny Christ said: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into, the kingdom of God (John 3:5). If that mantle fell from the Germans onto another race it would be a welcome respite Here is the video. Why in the world that you: White chooses Nicea as some type of magical benchmark, because certain beliefs werent formally defined then, even though the belief existed (i.e., transubstantiation). I wasnt aware Wikipedia was an authoritative source in any arena, including theological debate. This reveals something of Whites character, his impulsiveness, and his lack of good judgment. Are you considering the original context, author, audience, and the genre of what you are reading (didactic, poetry, etc.)? Even assuming your conclusion and giving you everything you demand regarding reading those texts, it does not neccessitate the Romanist doctrine of the neccessity of confession to a priest. Actually, could you provide the title of the book??? We also acknowledge that reason apart from faith is useless. God can do as He pleases. (Matt 18 anyone.) Lynchburger: I used to be so much where you are!! (Stuffed animals notwithstanding..). He (Dr Beckwith) repeatedly (two out of three aint bad) left his readers/listeners with the distinct impression that he had not read Trent until recently and insulted his former Lutheran professors by indicating they had led him to expect: to read this sort of horrible document, you know, requiring people to stick pins in their eyes, you know, and flagellate themselves, you know, This is a neat easy way to end discussion and avoid any further diuscussion of the issue. How can you say it is SDGs personal determination when it is you who says it is? 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